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	<title>Comments on: Four Reasons Why Unitarian Universalist History Still Matters</title>
	<link>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters</link>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shelby Meyerhoff</title>
		<link>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-11027</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelby Meyerhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-11027</guid>
		<description>Hi uuMomma, I'm smiling as I read your post; it's nice to hear that you're feeling more able to accept the fellow congregant's reaction, however knee-jerk it may be :wink: I think the challenge of how to deal with other congregants who either promote theologies we strongly disagree with, or who shut off all discussion of theology,   is something a lot of UU's grapple with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi uuMomma, I&#8217;m smiling as I read your post; it&#8217;s nice to hear that you&#8217;re feeling more able to accept the fellow congregant&#8217;s reaction, however knee-jerk it may be :wink: I think the challenge of how to deal with other congregants who either promote theologies we strongly disagree with, or who shut off all discussion of theology,   is something a lot of UU&#8217;s grapple with.</p>
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		<title>By: uuMomma</title>
		<link>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10964</link>
		<dc:creator>uuMomma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10964</guid>
		<description>Thanks, Shelby.  And congratulations on your new UUWorld gig.  

I think what I'm reacting to is the knee-jerk reaction to hearing the word "God," even in the context of who we were.  As you say, I think it is important to recognize the where we come from as we decide who we are now.  And, recognizing that who wear now is an ever-changing thing--as individuals, as congregations, as a denomination. But your thoughtful response here has challenged me to move forward with acceptance of those who react to God for whatever reason.  Thanks, again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Shelby.  And congratulations on your new UUWorld gig.  </p>
<p>I think what I&#8217;m reacting to is the knee-jerk reaction to hearing the word &#8220;God,&#8221; even in the context of who we were.  As you say, I think it is important to recognize the where we come from as we decide who we are now.  And, recognizing that who wear now is an ever-changing thing&#8211;as individuals, as congregations, as a denomination. But your thoughtful response here has challenged me to move forward with acceptance of those who react to God for whatever reason.  Thanks, again!</p>
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		<title>By: Shelby</title>
		<link>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10840</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10840</guid>
		<description>uuMomma, Miya, and Steven R -- Thank you for commenting. 

I hear a couple of concerns and questions running through the comments:

1. The concern that &lt;em&gt; discussing &lt;/em&gt; the theological history of Unitarianism and Universalism is the same as actually adopting the theologies of the past. I think this is what uuMomma's fellow congregant is expressing, and maybe part of what Miya is concerned about too? The way I see it, learning about UU history and actually reverting back to our older beliefs are too different things.

We need to learn about our history, and that includes a frank discussion of what our UU ancestors thought about GOD! However, I am not a fan of the "our ancestors were Christian so we should be too" or "our ancestors believed in God so we should too" kind of thinking.

2. The question asked by Miya, "If a major part of the essence of UU history is a rejection of what came before, how can we look to the past rather than to the future?" This is closely related to another question....

3. IS "a rejection of what came before" really an important part of our UU history? Is this how our ancestors understood their beliefs and/or how we should understand them? Steven R argues instead that "the early U and U weren’t a rejection of some of the orthodox Christian theology - they saw their views instead as a correction back to the original Christian Theology." (By the way, Steven, your history sermon sounds awesome!)

Miya, I hope this isn't a cop-out, but I really need to take a few days to consider how to best answer #2 and #3, which I will do in an upcoming post. (In the meantime, anyone else who can take a stab at these, please do!)

#4. How do we answer the question of who ARE as UU's without focusing on what we are NOT? The way that works best for me is to talk about our history, about the spiritual activities happening in my congregations, and about the principles of Unitarian Universalism that have been most meaningful to me. However, there are a lot of different ways UU's address the question. I do it's important, as Miya suggests, to focus on what UUism IS, without getting mired in what we're not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uuMomma, Miya, and Steven R &#8212; Thank you for commenting. </p>
<p>I hear a couple of concerns and questions running through the comments:</p>
<p>1. The concern that <em> discussing </em> the theological history of Unitarianism and Universalism is the same as actually adopting the theologies of the past. I think this is what uuMomma&#8217;s fellow congregant is expressing, and maybe part of what Miya is concerned about too? The way I see it, learning about UU history and actually reverting back to our older beliefs are too different things.</p>
<p>We need to learn about our history, and that includes a frank discussion of what our UU ancestors thought about GOD! However, I am not a fan of the &#8220;our ancestors were Christian so we should be too&#8221; or &#8220;our ancestors believed in God so we should too&#8221; kind of thinking.</p>
<p>2. The question asked by Miya, &#8220;If a major part of the essence of UU history is a rejection of what came before, how can we look to the past rather than to the future?&#8221; This is closely related to another question&#8230;.</p>
<p>3. IS &#8220;a rejection of what came before&#8221; really an important part of our UU history? Is this how our ancestors understood their beliefs and/or how we should understand them? Steven R argues instead that &#8220;the early U and U weren’t a rejection of some of the orthodox Christian theology - they saw their views instead as a correction back to the original Christian Theology.&#8221; (By the way, Steven, your history sermon sounds awesome!)</p>
<p>Miya, I hope this isn&#8217;t a cop-out, but I really need to take a few days to consider how to best answer #2 and #3, which I will do in an upcoming post. (In the meantime, anyone else who can take a stab at these, please do!)</p>
<p>#4. How do we answer the question of who ARE as UU&#8217;s without focusing on what we are NOT? The way that works best for me is to talk about our history, about the spiritual activities happening in my congregations, and about the principles of Unitarian Universalism that have been most meaningful to me. However, there are a lot of different ways UU&#8217;s address the question. I do it&#8217;s important, as Miya suggests, to focus on what UUism IS, without getting mired in what we&#8217;re not.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven R</title>
		<link>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10813</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10813</guid>
		<description>On March 3, I'm giving my 4th sermon this year to a UU church on some aspect of  southern Universalist Church history.  (all of these sermons are in different towns _ I stay on the run).  I admit that I tailor my talk to the group.    I try to focus on the history of the area - and the towns if possible. I like to show that U and Us have been in this area for over 200 years.   I like to show how they worked, sacrificed and even how the community reacted to them. Im surprised at the folks who have been members for decades and dont know what Unitarian or Universalist meant. 
  Miya,  the early U and U weren't a rejection of some  of the orthodox Christian theology - they saw their views instead as a correction back to the original Christian Theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On March 3, I&#8217;m giving my 4th sermon this year to a UU church on some aspect of  southern Universalist Church history.  (all of these sermons are in different towns _ I stay on the run).  I admit that I tailor my talk to the group.    I try to focus on the history of the area - and the towns if possible. I like to show that U and Us have been in this area for over 200 years.   I like to show how they worked, sacrificed and even how the community reacted to them. Im surprised at the folks who have been members for decades and dont know what Unitarian or Universalist meant.<br />
  Miya,  the early U and U weren&#8217;t a rejection of some  of the orthodox Christian theology - they saw their views instead as a correction back to the original Christian Theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Miya</title>
		<link>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10811</link>
		<dc:creator>Miya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10811</guid>
		<description>Back again, after reading your previous post and the comments.  I think some of what Fausto was getting at is what I have perceived as the what-we're-not emphasis in UUism.  We're non-creedal, non-Christian (overall), non-homophobic, non-exclusive, non-judgmental, non-fundamentalist, non-prescriptive, non-proscriptive...  The Unitarians (as they're taught to us at a basic level) were Non Trinitarians.  The Universalists _rejected_ predestination and damnation.  I'm being a little overly symplistic, but at the same time, I don't often have good answers - for curious friends, or for myself - of what we ARE and what we DO believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back again, after reading your previous post and the comments.  I think some of what Fausto was getting at is what I have perceived as the what-we&#8217;re-not emphasis in UUism.  We&#8217;re non-creedal, non-Christian (overall), non-homophobic, non-exclusive, non-judgmental, non-fundamentalist, non-prescriptive, non-proscriptive&#8230;  The Unitarians (as they&#8217;re taught to us at a basic level) were Non Trinitarians.  The Universalists _rejected_ predestination and damnation.  I&#8217;m being a little overly symplistic, but at the same time, I don&#8217;t often have good answers - for curious friends, or for myself - of what we ARE and what we DO believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Miya</title>
		<link>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10810</link>
		<dc:creator>Miya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10810</guid>
		<description>Dear Shelby,

Very interesting post.  It addressed an issue that has come up of late along the road of my spiritual journey.  When I first came to UUism, only a few years ago, one of the things that made me proud to be a UU was our history: of each decision point along the way (the rejection of trinitarianism then of Christianity at least as a shared faith, the Congregational Platform, the split from the then-conservative now-UCC, and so on) represented a choice to reject traditional thinking or being in favor of religious freedom, noncreedal faith, and democracy rather than hierarchy.  I am still proud of all of those things.  However, I think the trend in our history does make it harder to embrace the idea of identification with history at all, and maybe this is where some of the topic you addressed arises.  If a major part of the essence of UU history is a rejection of what came before, how can we look to the past rather than to the future?  How can we build ritual and tradition, knowing that change and questioning are our core values?

(I'm going a bit beyond what you are advocating, obviously, and I'm certainly not as well versed in religious history.  But I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.)

Thanks  ~Miya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Shelby,</p>
<p>Very interesting post.  It addressed an issue that has come up of late along the road of my spiritual journey.  When I first came to UUism, only a few years ago, one of the things that made me proud to be a UU was our history: of each decision point along the way (the rejection of trinitarianism then of Christianity at least as a shared faith, the Congregational Platform, the split from the then-conservative now-UCC, and so on) represented a choice to reject traditional thinking or being in favor of religious freedom, noncreedal faith, and democracy rather than hierarchy.  I am still proud of all of those things.  However, I think the trend in our history does make it harder to embrace the idea of identification with history at all, and maybe this is where some of the topic you addressed arises.  If a major part of the essence of UU history is a rejection of what came before, how can we look to the past rather than to the future?  How can we build ritual and tradition, knowing that change and questioning are our core values?</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m going a bit beyond what you are advocating, obviously, and I&#8217;m certainly not as well versed in religious history.  But I&#8217;d love to hear your thoughts on this.)</p>
<p>Thanks  ~Miya</p>
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		<title>By: uuMomma</title>
		<link>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10801</link>
		<dc:creator>uuMomma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lookingforfaith.org/blog/2008/four-reasons-why-unitarian-universalist-history-still-matters#comment-10801</guid>
		<description>I have been kicking around a blog post since a week ago Sunday when, after a sermon that was advertised as just what it was--a look at Unitarian History--someone in our congregation said something akin to "I didn't like it; there was too much about God in it."

First of all, like it?  who cares.  Experience the service, don't approve or disapprove.

Second of all---Unitarian History without talk about God?

That's like Oreos with no filling, if you ask me.  Dry and pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been kicking around a blog post since a week ago Sunday when, after a sermon that was advertised as just what it was&#8211;a look at Unitarian History&#8211;someone in our congregation said something akin to &#8220;I didn&#8217;t like it; there was too much about God in it.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, like it?  who cares.  Experience the service, don&#8217;t approve or disapprove.</p>
<p>Second of all&#8212;Unitarian History without talk about God?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like Oreos with no filling, if you ask me.  Dry and pointless.</p>
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